Compared to G3

[reptij]

Anyone ever compare this sim to the realflight g2 or g3?

[ggunners]

RealFlight G2 and G3 cost more.

I can't afford them to compare them.

There are a lot more models for FMS. Some are very good. There are a lot that are just OK.

FMS is very good for learning quite a bit and the physics in the latest release are very nice including the wind option, better ground handling and much more exposure to the inner workings of the flight physics in the .par file. If you outgrow FMS and find that G2/G3 helps you get to the next level of virtual practicing, it might be worth the investment.

So far, I've yet to outgrow FMS.

-- ggunners

[reptij]

Thanks, I actually read over on another forum that the G3 flying physics are very unrealistic. So I think I will stick with FMS. The only real plus for G3 is the graphics, but if you download the additional graphics others have created for FMS it is just as good in my opinion.

[zwilnik]

I have flown G3, G2 lite, and the nexstar edition. ( I only own nexstar edition.) I think that FMS is catching up to G2 in some areas like graphics and perhaps flight physics. This is only if someone who knows the plane takes it and edits its .par file though. I think G3 is better, but I have only flown it for 2 hours total. Plus the only plane on G3 that I have is the nexstar... just my thoughts. I'm not a big pro,eh?

[ddwaner]

Does this help FMS if the scenes look like this.

Clearin Pictures from my server, sorry if you missed them.

[ronin]

ddwaner, which scenery is that? I have been flying Bad Schwartau and love these photo scenes. yours looks great

[ddwaner]

This is one of the scenes I tried when learning how to use the scenery converter. It is not a release for FMS by me and it has no Collision information other than a crash at the pilot (!!! I didn't do the panorama !!!).
Here is a panorama I did do, I am working on scenes for Reflex and FMS with it.

I still have some clean'n up to do on the panorama. I may have a better device to do panorama's soon. It will do the complete panorama in about 3 minutes with no stitching and I can master the panorama at up to 1200 DPI, Super HI RES panorama masters. (Just takes time and a little money and a whole lot of technology development.)
(Just one more Pic)

Or two...(All FMS panorama Screen Grabs!)



Clearin Pictures from my server, sorry if you missed them.

[rbrown3rd]

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Here is a panorama I did do, I am working on scenes for Reflex and FMS with it.................]

Will you make them available when they are done? Are there photo sceneries available now for FMS?

[ddwaner]

The Panorama scene 4H Camp (Winter) is ready and in 2 versions for FMS for FREE. A compressed version at about a 5meg download and the full 31meg version of 4H Camp (Winter). The 5meg version is at http://RC-Sim.de in the download section. I also have standard pictures of the 4H Camp Field on my server with the Flyers that fly there if you are interested. I have also included directions how to find the field if you want to come fly with us.

The scene with the Red building in the pictures here is NOT ready yet, it is the Skyhawks of Cannonsburg Ky field, I am also working on the hillibillies field at Winfield WV, I will make both available for Reflex and FMS. Depending on how hard they are to do, they may NOT be FREE.

4H Camp (Winter) IS FREE!... NOW! ! !

[rbrown3rd]

Excellent. Downloading now. Thanks.

[lcsaba]

Hello ddwanner,

Thanks a lot.
I am in a heavy debate about reflex versus FMS. I use and like FMS but the argumentum is, that the landscape of reflex is much more realistic.
This afternoon FMS forum came to my mind, and searched for reflex, the result was that I have find Your reflex to FMS conversion.
I have registered at the RC-sim.de and dowloaded Your 4H Camp, and it is working withouth any problem.

It is really fantastic.

I have two questions.

I have only a demo version of reflex and I had no idea how the following problem is solved. The landsape is based on real shots from a point.
The model can fly behind the objects like trees, hills in this case it disappears. The photo can show only one side of those objects. How can a chase function performed, and what can be seen from the other direction?
I have realised that You have solved this problem. The chase function is switched off if the 4H is loaded. I have no idea how is it done. In this case the FMS program itself should be modified because the SCN file has no control over the view function. Switching back to an other landscape, the chase is available again.

The other question, you stated that this landscape is free. Can one have other ones and pay for them, or those are only for You.

Laszlo

[ddwaner]

I used the FMS PhotoLanscape program to convert the Panorama's I make for Reflex into the scene blocks for FMS. It also sets up the FMS's perspective data so that FMS would be configured for FIXED pilot use at ground level. The panorama's are the same thing. The camera takes the picture(s) from 1 point so chase plane and NON fixed pilot modes don't apply, that's not where the pilot or camera is for flying. The converter program that I have produces NO collision data other than the ground which would be objects to crash into in the scene (including the pilot), I currently set those in the .scn file by measurement and calculation and whole lot of poke and hope.
Right now I only have the 1 FREE scene for FMS which is also free for Reflex but I have 2 for Reflex that I will share (FOR A PRICE!) with 3 more on the way (For a Price). I wanted to give the new RC Pilots coming to our field a good practice scene of where they are flying and I wanted to be able to give them FMS and the 4H Camp scene to them all for FREE to learn with, they give me a blank CD 1 day and I give them back their CD the next day with the simulator and scene on it the next (NO CHARGE what SO EVER). I think they can learn on the Winter scene for FREE just fine.
I will have a Summer Panorama of the 4H Winter scene position soon. The tree's are now green and the field looks good. I don't expect to make it FREE. The Winter scene is Free and thats good enough to learn with, with FMS or REFLEX. Other scenes I have made are on my server at http://rcflyerscu.hobby-site.org

[TreeHugger]

Hi,

generally speaking, FMS can display panoramas just as well as other sims, but it requires some manual labor. A pano is just a huge photo covering a 360° horizon with spherical mapping. Take a look at any of the free reflex panos to see how it works. To make it look panoramic you need to cut the big source image into workable tiles and map them properly onto a sphere. Some software can help, but they may produce errors as well. FMS PhotoLanscape e.g. projects only cylindrical, resulting in some distortions.

To evaluate the quality of pano sceneries you need to make a distinction between collision points and depth perception. It is possible to create invisible objects within the scene until you hit the polygon limit. All it takes is a lot of patience and/or some 3D modeling software support. But you can only crash into these objects, they will not obstruct the view! In other words, you can fly behind obstacles an still have your model completely visible. Technology to overcome this limitation and include z-buffer information to model visibility is not available in FMS. (And the 1-bit alpha channel doesn't cut it, either...)

About discussing FMS vs. Reflex: Better don't do it at all. I have never seen a sim vs. sim debate with any serious output. All they usually do is heating the temper of the participants.

Regards

[ddwaner]

Someone using FMS can crash into things in a panorama scene and learn how to control a remote object, and the sim is FREE. Sounds plenty good to me!!! Distortions don't seem to be a big problem. Oh Yeah with FMS you don't need that DANGLE thingE to cause problems, that's a BIG plus. I'd like to get my REFLEX sim to use the SmartProPo Plus driver.
No need for DEBATE, as far as RC Flight Sims go, FMS for the least money does the most and that helps the hobby a lot. I consider the time constructing 4H Camp (Winter) for FMS time WELL SPENT.

[TreeHugger]

[...]Distortions don't seem to be a big problem. [...]

You can get away with some serious kinks and bends without anyone noticing, but distortions will become a problem when you try to match the quality of commercial sim panos. When your collision geometry is placed precisely but the pano background is ever so slightly off, the planes/helis will appear to be crashing in the wrong location.
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E.g.: The horizon in many downloadable panos is not 100% horizontal. When matching horizon and scenery, I found a deviation of 0.5° degrees makes a visible difference when flying at some distance. This doesn't jump into the eye initially, but it can make or break the placement of a tree 100 metres away.

Regards